After my last post got scooped, besides thanking my stars that I have civil readers, I decided to raise the bar with another facet of the story. I must caution, things are about to get all Buddhist up in here.
Ok, assuming you eat meat, would it make a difference if the animal did not suffer? The market for free-range meat products, often at a premium, indicates that many people think so. How about if the animal is from a factory farm, yet led a pain-free existence? Sounds like a contradiction, but it does not have to be. That is, if the animal was incapable of feeling pain.
According to an op-ed by a philosophy-neuroscience-psychology PhD student at Washington University in St. Louis, eliminating the sensation of pain is the least we can do for those we sacrifice for the dinner plate. I do not agree. I think the least we could do is to go vegan, but hey that's me.
The author notes several ways to eliminate pain (yet not my idea), the first is "by damaging a laboratory rat’s anterior cingulate cortex, or by
injecting the rat with morphine, [this will] block its affective
perception of pain." Some may think it trite, but when making an ethical choice about another, it helps to compare the choice to one involving oneself or one's own kind. If the answers are different, one should explore why. In this case, would it be ethical for me to beat up a person high on morphine or with a damaged anterior cingulate cortex? Even if in the latter case they were more likely to be Republican? I'd say no. Plus we all know Kick Ass is a good guy.
Later in the article is mentioned the research of Min Zhou at University of Toronto and that of Zhou-Feng Chen also at WUSTL. Neither of which illustrate more than a step towards a freedom from pain, as they mention the animal feeling pain but not reacting the same. I don't see how anyone would find this as an improvement, except for factory farmers who want docile and more manageable animals. I suppose the pain could be registering but not feel bad, but that doesn't seem much better.
I think we need to analyze the aspects of pain and suffering. Pain stems from some kind of damage to an organism. The damage triggers signals which send a message to the brain that damage has occurred. Often receipt of the message causes additional 'damage.' I'll go through this backwards, from the recipient to the source.
To use an analogy, someone steals money from your bank account, the bank
sends you an email, you read it, then you feel bad. Ideally, we should
eliminate all the aspects at the source: No theft. If the money is
stolen, damage is still done whether the theft is noticed or not.
Let's say an animal is changed so they, like a Terminator, receive the pain message and sense it but do not 'feel' it. The damage is done, and the money is gone. They may act less emotionally, and perhaps do not suffer, but I don't think the argument could be made that it is cruelty free.
If you simply must steal the money (which you do not), is stopping the message from being sent or received better? Is no news good news? The damage is still done, and perhaps it's worse to act like nothing happened. Pain has a purpose. If your wing is hurt, and you feel the pain, you can try to favor the other side and protect the sensitive area so it can heal. If you didn't know you had an injury, and kept bumping it, it would get worse and fester. Your quality of life would lessen, perhaps severely.
I remember a heated debate within my college's animal rights group about
direct action and violence. Some thought that destroying inanimate
objects like a lab, was non-violent if no animals were harmed. Others
thought blowing something up was inherently violent. I suppose a
similar argument could be made concerning unfelt or pain-free harm done
to an animal.
Also, one should consider the issue of consent. If a being is suffering, and one can eliminate the suffering, typically that does not require consent unless the subject is a Christian Scientist. If however, the situation involves alleviating pain that one is causing and will continue to cause intentionally, I would think this would need some kind of agreement. Would you want any of these permanent changes made to you so not feel/sense pain/suffering?
Showing posts with label vat meat. Show all posts
Showing posts with label vat meat. Show all posts
02 September 2011
31 August 2011
Vat Meat
I've been postponing a post on vat meat. Seems like every month or so I see something on making meat in a lab. These blurbs overflow with 'meat apologism' to sate bacon-loving hipsters and others who have guilt but just can't quit meat. I know many people miss meat to an amazing degree, but I've never really felt that. Maybe I miss convenience, but that's minor. So I have been thinking of a succinct reply to the issue of vat meat or in-vitro meat other than rolling my eyes. I don't think I've succeeded, so feel free to roll your eyes instead.
Here are the main issues concerned:
Food Security: This all depends on cost. Many of the above-linked articles mention this feed-the-world aspect, as do many pronouncements regarding new foodstuffs. I'll believe it when I see it.
Health: I see a marginal improvement here over factory farmed meat. I'm confident the level of cholesterol and fat can be modified to some extent. Yet I doubt the vat meat will catch up with an animal-free diet.
Sustainability: Will the resources going in to this be much more than what we get out? I think it can be more efficient to grow only a blob of muscle and not the bones, skin, hair, brain, and so on. However, it all depends on what and how much is fed to the vat meat to make it grow.
Woo: Woo is that irrationality that is always in play with such visceral and emotional choices. People really like the whole charade that is natural food. Some would rather smoke natural cigarettes than eat something sciency, even if the former is much more likely to kill them. The only way I see around this is to suppress labeling so a consumer does not know if the meat they bought came from a factory farm or not. This has certainly worked in the past, so it should work here as well.
Taste: It bugs me that this is a main issue. I don't think anyone likes the flavor meat with no additions or adulterations. Most omnivores char it, season it, and put it with other ingredients, burying the flavor of the meat. Then at the next meal, they eat something different. But that's beside the point. Theoretically the meat from the lab will taste the same as meat from the factory farm, though no one has tasted the progress so far. So take that entire lack of empirical evidence how you will.
Cost: That's the big issue. I don't hear much about companies doing this, only labs. This hints that the potential profits are low, if not negative. However, labs may be dabbling in this area as the technology is closely related to growing human organs in vitro and engineering meat (mostly muscle) should be easier than engineering a heart. But I'm not sure doing this in a lab/factory will be more cost efficient than a factory farm. Sure, they could engineer Kobe beef or some high-end stuff, but I'm not sure the people who like organic beef from cows massaged by hand will go for something from a factory.
Animal Cruelty: This is perhaps the biggest issue. There isn't much of a point otherwise, unless cost is less than rice and beans. After all, PETA's even offering one million dollars for the first to make in-vitro chicken within a year (guess they have a big barbeque next June). But as I mentioned previously, unless they dramatically change the technology, they will grow the cell cultures for the in-vitro meat in a bath of fetal bovine serum (FBS), fetal horse serum (FHS), or some other liquefied aborted animal. They do this because science does not know all the little chemicals that a cell or an organ needs to grow, so they just dump a soup on there that has more than enough. There exist some alternatives, but I'm not sure if these researchers are using any of them. Besides, is growing cells from an unborn calf cheaper and easier than growing the calf into a cow?
So when will this happen? According to many of the articles, it's always five years away, which means never. Though I think it actually will happen, just because the power of bacon and guilt is so strong. However, once it happens in a research lab, I don't see it going too far beyond a novelty.
Would any of you, vegan or otherwise, eat such a thing as test tube meat? What about test tube dairy? Test tube honey? Test tube long pig?
Here are the main issues concerned:
Food Security: This all depends on cost. Many of the above-linked articles mention this feed-the-world aspect, as do many pronouncements regarding new foodstuffs. I'll believe it when I see it.
Health: I see a marginal improvement here over factory farmed meat. I'm confident the level of cholesterol and fat can be modified to some extent. Yet I doubt the vat meat will catch up with an animal-free diet.
Sustainability: Will the resources going in to this be much more than what we get out? I think it can be more efficient to grow only a blob of muscle and not the bones, skin, hair, brain, and so on. However, it all depends on what and how much is fed to the vat meat to make it grow.
Woo: Woo is that irrationality that is always in play with such visceral and emotional choices. People really like the whole charade that is natural food. Some would rather smoke natural cigarettes than eat something sciency, even if the former is much more likely to kill them. The only way I see around this is to suppress labeling so a consumer does not know if the meat they bought came from a factory farm or not. This has certainly worked in the past, so it should work here as well.
Taste: It bugs me that this is a main issue. I don't think anyone likes the flavor meat with no additions or adulterations. Most omnivores char it, season it, and put it with other ingredients, burying the flavor of the meat. Then at the next meal, they eat something different. But that's beside the point. Theoretically the meat from the lab will taste the same as meat from the factory farm, though no one has tasted the progress so far. So take that entire lack of empirical evidence how you will.
Cost: That's the big issue. I don't hear much about companies doing this, only labs. This hints that the potential profits are low, if not negative. However, labs may be dabbling in this area as the technology is closely related to growing human organs in vitro and engineering meat (mostly muscle) should be easier than engineering a heart. But I'm not sure doing this in a lab/factory will be more cost efficient than a factory farm. Sure, they could engineer Kobe beef or some high-end stuff, but I'm not sure the people who like organic beef from cows massaged by hand will go for something from a factory.
Animal Cruelty: This is perhaps the biggest issue. There isn't much of a point otherwise, unless cost is less than rice and beans. After all, PETA's even offering one million dollars for the first to make in-vitro chicken within a year (guess they have a big barbeque next June). But as I mentioned previously, unless they dramatically change the technology, they will grow the cell cultures for the in-vitro meat in a bath of fetal bovine serum (FBS), fetal horse serum (FHS), or some other liquefied aborted animal. They do this because science does not know all the little chemicals that a cell or an organ needs to grow, so they just dump a soup on there that has more than enough. There exist some alternatives, but I'm not sure if these researchers are using any of them. Besides, is growing cells from an unborn calf cheaper and easier than growing the calf into a cow?
So when will this happen? According to many of the articles, it's always five years away, which means never. Though I think it actually will happen, just because the power of bacon and guilt is so strong. However, once it happens in a research lab, I don't see it going too far beyond a novelty.
Would any of you, vegan or otherwise, eat such a thing as test tube meat? What about test tube dairy? Test tube honey? Test tube long pig?
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